Transcriptions for 2026-01-18

Speaker A: System11 link up.
Speaker B: Go ahead. I had to throw my phone on the charger, so just call me here when you guys are leaving. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker A: We'll see
Speaker B: if I like it or not.
Speaker A: I'll figure something out. John was just telling me he would like to take me and Lori out to Snore Case. I've never eaten. I've heard.

Speaker A: Yeah. So I got two
Speaker B: sub panels. Got two of them wired up for the most part. And we're gonna.
Speaker A: So he could park his
Speaker C: trailer. Wants to set it up so there can be two trailers. I may never use them, but that's the last. You put in all kinds of nice LED lights and everything. I still got that to do. So anyway, probably got another three or four
Speaker A: days. I've already been at it while. Some type of.

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Here hold the free Morse code class every Wednesday night, 6pM at the Golden Beaver Distillery still house at 2420 Park Avenue. All are welcome to come. Learn Morse code. W6R, H, C. Repeater check two.

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The year's monthly general membership meetings are held on the third Monday night of the month at the Butte County Public Library, 1108 Sherman Avenue in Chico. Doors open at 6pm and the meeting starts at 7pm all are welcome. W6RHC repeater check 3.

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The gears net will be held Tuesday night starting at 7:30pm all amateur radio operators are welcome to join in on the net w fix rhc repeater check 1.

Gears holds a slow speed Morse Cognat on 40 meters every Thursday night starting at 7pm Frequency of 744 plus or minus if the frequency is in use. All licensed amateur radio operators are welcome to join in the net WFIC RHC Repeater Check 2.

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Amateur Radio Newsline Report Number 2516 with the release date of Friday, January 16, 2026 to follow in 54321. The following is a QST US Financial Traders Review their call to use the HF band RF noise grounds flights in Greece and California. Hands have extra large plans for Winterfield Day. All this and more as Amateur Radio Newsline Report number 2516 comes your way right now from around the world. This is Newsline, Amateur Radio's first independent on the air News and Bulletin Service. Now reporting from Charleston, West Virginia, here's Jim Dameron, NATMW in our top story, a group representing seven financial trading firms is pressing the U.S. federal Communications Commission to respond to their petition submitted almost three years ago asking for permanent allocation of HF frequencies for data transmission. Kent Peterson, KC0ZTY has those details. The Shortwave Model the Modernization Coalition is pressing the FCC for an answer to its petition, which was filed in the spring of 2023. The group is seeking the authorization to transmit all the bands between 2 MHz and 25 MHz under Part 90 of the FCC rules. A number of the bands being sought either include or are adjacent to amateur radio bands. The Coalition's original filing drew substantial opposition from amateur radio operators and the ARRL, citing the potential for interference, the ARRL said. In 2024, the IARU's monitoring system detected what was believed to be HF trading interference on the amateur portion of 20 meters. The US Coast Guard also objected to the petition, saying additional traffic would raise noise floors for everyone. Last year, three of the firms were given FCC approval as experimental licensees. They were prohibited from traffic, charging fees or receiving payments for anything related to their on the air operations. The coalition believes that granting permanency will solidify their status in business and will not create interference as feared because the technology exists to locate open channels. This is Kent Peterson, KC0DGY noise on the frequency is bothersome enough when you're attempting to contact a much wanted dx, but noise on frequencies used by commercial aircraft can shut commercial airspace now as it did earlier this month in Greece. Graham Kemp, BK4BB has that report. Flights into Greece were temporarily grounded, delayed or diverted this month after W6RHC repeater check 3.

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Speaker A: Kk6vzd still mobile. Wp6a x n repeater.
Speaker B: Well, good evening, Chris. You seem to be out late tonight. KN6 GTM.
Speaker A: Yeah, just coming home from a visit to my daughter. I helped her pack up her Christmas stuff and put them away in her storage locker. And then we tackled making beef bourguignon tonight.
Speaker B: And it turned out edible.
Speaker A: Oh, more than edible. It was heavenly. Yeah. Got any idea what beef bourguignon is?
Speaker B: I don't think so.
Speaker A: Basically a French beef stew, but oh boy, is it good.
Speaker B: So what kind of a concoction is it? What all do you mix in there?
Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. Chuck steak, beef broth, red wine, garlic, carrots, onions, pearl onions at the very end, mushrooms, a little bit of tomato paste, some bay leaves, some thyme. Yeah, I. I think I said carrot. Yeah, you end up putting all this stuff together and then you put it in the oven for an hour or so. Oh boy, just heavenly rich broth. And the meat just falls apart.
Speaker B: Yeah, that does sound good. How long has it been since you had that?
Speaker A: Oh, I've never had. Was one of those we had talked about a while back, tackling it one day together. Yeah, she had me down to her apartment, oh, a few months ago and we made coq au vin, which is basically French chicken. Ste.
Speaker B: Well, sounds like you're on an adventure. Hard telling what you'll cook up next.
Speaker A: I know, I know. You know, Ernie, actually I'm sitting here thinking that, you know, come April, when I don't have to go into work anymore and I won't come home all tired, I might actually get into doing a lot of cooking or around the house and think that, you know, I think I'll enjoy it. That'll be a little bit of a
Speaker B: new leaf for you, wouldn't it?
Speaker A: Yeah, it would. Yeah, it would. I mean, I like cooking anyway. It's just, you know, get home at 5 o' clock in the afternoon and just don't feel like putting forth the effort.
Speaker B: Especially this time of the year when it gets dark soon after and just feels like the evening's late and you don't have much time.
Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. So how are you doing? What are you up to?
Speaker B: Oh, doing okay. Just sitting here relaxing and close to the radio. And I heard you out there and I thought my might as well say hi.
Speaker A: Yeah, might as well. Might as well. So I think I already told you I got a countdown calendar. And you know, that was great. It showed me calendar days and then I thought, wait a minute, that includes weekends. I Want to know what my work days are? So as of Friday, I think I'm down to 51 work days.
Speaker B: Okay. I heard yell with Paul the other day saying how many calendar days and how many work days? And I thought he got that one figured out.
Speaker A: Yeah. And looking forward to it. Really looking forward to it. Now that I got it, what I have to do is I have to make sure that I've got, you know, everything aligned so that my pension starts paying me when it's supposed to be paying me and Social Security and a couple other things so that, you know, I, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna lose some income every month, but, you know, it's not as bad as I thought it might be. And, you know, if I get everything in a row, then I won't be missing a whole month paid.
Speaker B: Exactly.
Speaker A: Is your.
Speaker B: I mean, has your wife been working? Is she retired as well, or does she stay at home or how is that going?
Speaker A: My wife has been a stay at home for a long, long. A long time ago. We decided, you know, for the kids sake, it would be better if she was a stay at home mom. And once the kids left, she never really got back out. So that's all right. That doesn't bother me, you know, that we don't have some things that other people do. It doesn't really bother me. Sometimes I think it bothers her.
Speaker B: Yeah, I was just curious. I mean, if you can retire about the same time, it's nice. You can at least do some traveling or get some time in going away or whatever. But if one has to work yet for a couple more years, it can. Can have its own schedule, challenges.
Speaker A: Yeah, well, we don't have to worry about that, that's for sure. So, you know, and I'm just starting to think about what we're gonna do and. Well, I think I'm gonna. About may. I think I'm gonna go visit my family back in Illinois, because I can.
Speaker B: And you can stay as long as you like or as they like, whatever that is Here a few minutes here. I say a few minutes ago, a little while ago, I heard someone come on one of the GMRS repeaters and said it was extremely foggy in Sacramento. Is that creeping on up the valley?
Speaker A: It is, it is. We had some when I was leaving Lincoln, probably till about 5 or 10 miles up the road. It's absolutely clear though, coming up from Wheatland.
Speaker B: Yeah, it's still clear up here too. I was just curious how far it was.
Speaker A: I did get an alert on My phone saying that it was going to be, you know, dense fog coming home. So I'm really pleasantly surprised that it wasn't as bad as I was led to believe.
Speaker B: Yeah, that's very good. Shouldn't be a. I mean the ground's still saturated, but shouldn't be an awful lot of moisture to make that fog anymore. It hasn't rained in a while.
Speaker A: That's very true. Although let me tell you, I came out from somewhere and I was looking, the ground was all wet and I could why is it all wet? It hasn't rained, but who knows?
Speaker B: Yeah, but just remember here a month ago it had rained and this ground is really saturated, so it's not drying off yet.
Speaker A: Which I guess is the reason that a couple weeks ago they put out flood warnings or flood watch. Be careful because it might flood. I'm like, you're kidding me. I don't believe it.
Speaker B: Yeah, I'm here. The laporte road on down the line here on down by Hancut. That thing's been closed several times for flooding, which it floods easily down there, but still wheat.
Speaker A: It's
Speaker B: often February, often more towards spring when we have finally have enough water to run down there. But yeah, it's been closed a couple times already and pretty early for normal.
Speaker A: I know there's a couple of roads over by the buttes that are closed because I guess they got the bypass. Well, yeah, there's water flowing through the bypass and some of those roads go right, you know, near or through the bypass. So that's. That's not surprising.
Speaker B: Speaking of the buttes, have they got the bike around the buttes information started yet? I mean, somebody starting to work on that.
Speaker A: WE six a X N repeater. I have not heard anything yet, but from, you know, my understanding is that KN6 Ted. Ted who headed it up last year, will be heading it up this year also.
Speaker B: Okay, that's good.
Speaker A: He's got a lot of irons in
Speaker B: the fire, but he can handle that on top of it. He can.
Speaker A: And he brings some special skills with him. I was kind of impressed that I forget what. What web app he was using to. To track all the. All the sags. I thought that was pretty neat.
Speaker B: Yeah, Special set of skills, also equipment.
Speaker A: Oh yeah, I vaguely remember that. When I went by, you know, command and saw what he had, I just kind of like rocked back on my heels thinking, holy cow.
Speaker B: Yeah, that was pretty impressive. And speaking of him, I haven't heard him on the ham bands here lately. He's probably tied up so Every once in a while I hear him, but I haven't heard him in quite a while.
Speaker A: He has never been a regular on the repeater. You'll catch them here and there. A lot of the times he'll be busy like during the net. I think, you know, he'll still be working on customers. Yeah. A customer request or something.
Speaker B: Yeah. Being a business owner brings with it its own schedule and challenges and it keeps him more than busy the way it sounds. I think here the last year or so he's really picked up a lot of clients and been good for their business.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I, I gave some thought to going over there after I retire and saying could you use somebody, could you use an extra, you know, a part time guy and see what they said.
Speaker B: But then when you got thinking about that, you decided not to KN6G10.
Speaker A: Well, still not out of the realm of possibility. You know, I still haven't definitely figured out, you know, what it is that I'm going to do with my time. Go through, go through some of our possessions and tear a lot of it down. That's part of it. Take a look around the house and see what fix up jobs there are that I can do and other such things like that.
Speaker B: Yeah, it seems to me I heard you talking about being a little bit of a history buff. You'd have time to go visit all kinds of neat places here in Northern California.
Speaker A: Yes, I would. You know, a long, long time ago I got this book. I guess it was put out by State of California and it was a book that listed all of the historical markers along all the highways in California. And I started to go around and find a lot of those
Speaker B: interesting. Yeah, that would be really interesting. One of my customers said he had he somehow got a hold of a fool book. It was called the Roar of the Monitor. It was a gold mining history book about Laporte, about the Laporte area. Just a detailed description of, you know, the daily lives and all that went on and things that happened. It's just a fantastic book. There aren't many of them around in their horribly expensive if you can find one.
Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah. Actually I went to look at for a history book that was, that I had run across. It was about a fighter pilot in World War II and it's out of print of course and the only, only ones you can get. They were asking like $600. I was like holy cow. No, I don't think I'll be buying one of those.
Speaker B: Yeah, that's amazing. And I think like this book here, I. I think the only copies that were around would have been like 13, $1400.
Speaker A: I.
Speaker B: It was just. I. I haven't looked recently, but for a long time you couldn't find one.
Speaker A: And then if.
Speaker B: And I was just amazed that a book of local history would, you know, would actually be that expensive.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. True, true. So, you know, I used to. Oh, I had a couple of books about the ghost towns of the west. And when I was single, I used to get on my motorcycle on the weekends and I'd pick one and I'd go head off for it and just see, you know, what was what. Remember ending up in Ione and Jenny Lind and Jackson. Of course, Jackson's not exactly a ghost town, but, you know, places like that,
Speaker B: It's one thing if you can get to them, but one thing that's so frustrating around here. When you get up in these hills, SPI has big gates and locks, and they don't want to see you on the other side of them. You can't get back to some of those historical places anymore.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's a shame. Yeah. I remember finding Jenny Lind and you really couldn't tell that there had been a town there. You knew that that was the place, but, you know, basically everything was gone.
Speaker B: Yeah. And it's really amazing when you see pictures even of Bangor, you know, back in the 1800s, just the booming businesses that were here. You know, this even what's here today is a ghost town compared to what it used to be.
Speaker A: Yeah, true, true. I kind of wanted to go eventually find Timbuktu, because I know it's not too far from here, a little bit off the beaten path, but not too far from. What's that mean? Smartsville.
Speaker B: Why. Why is it that we use Timbuktu to describe parts unknown or somewhere you about can't get to, or some. Somewhere way out back or whatever we use it for?
Speaker A: Yeah, good question. Good question. Well, I'm home. I made it all the way. Had no real problems with the fog, so I'm gonna grab my stuff and get inside because I haven't been home all day. So. Have a great evening, Ernie, and be listening for you over the airwaves here. Talk to you later. Have a great evening. KK6ZZD clear
Speaker B: 73s. You have a good weekend.
Speaker A: Be careful.
Speaker B: We'll chat with you later. KN6GTN.
Speaker A: 6 ETN WA 1 NER
Speaker B: so you've
Speaker A: been lurking out there. I was hoping to. To hear Chris say that he. He tried a olive stamp, black olive sandwich. But no chance.
Speaker B: Just. Just soup, right?
Speaker A: Just French onion soup or something. Some kind of soup. So, yeah, there's a lot of history around here and, and about Ted. When, When Ted first came on the radio, he. You can't say he was never, never ever on the radio because he used to be on the radio a lot in the very beginning.
Speaker B: First.
Speaker A: First two or three years, he was real busy
Speaker B: talking about your olives. I heard you and Chris talking the other day about him and. And I was gonna. I was gonna tell Chris this evening that one, he was saying he doesn't
Speaker A: have a lot of options.
Speaker B: And I was gonna tell him he ought to make. Make his own. They need to have more options.
Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. You can go up in your country up there and get lots of olives up and around there, huh?
Speaker B: Yeah, we can. You can get bunch down your way too, I'm sure. Have you ever home cured them?
Speaker A: Oh, no, I've never fooled with them. I'm not a connoisseur. Like I say, I was never a connoisseur of olives. I love black olives.

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Speaker A: And all my grandkids do. I said that
Speaker B: too.
Speaker A: But yeah, I just. I just like black olives. Not so many groups. Yeah, there's a couple green olives but my favorite black olives.
Speaker B: W E6A X N repeater.
Speaker A: Well, if you like black olives you would probably like these home cured ones. It's been what four years now since I took. I decided to dive into it and see what I could do and it's been fun. I've enjoyed making them do several gallon of them every winter and it's just a little hobby. But you an olive is really impressive. I guess you call it impressive. Impressionable. You can make them things any flavor you want.
Speaker B: Yeah,
Speaker A: yeah, I've eaten a few different ones, you know, things like that. But it's just around the holidays is when. When I do eat them the most. The most. When I do eat them I do here eat them year round. But not as heavy as on the holidays. Yeah. Well, the recipe I have, you know it ends up after you treat them with the lye and get all that yucky stuff out of them and then get them flushed out and get them good and good and rinsed out. Then it's. Then it's a salt brine, that salt water that you put in with them and they, they taste like the black olives. I mean they. Yeah, I like them. Do you still have my cell number? I. I usually keep most of my phone numbers for people I say yeah, I'm sure I do. Can you give me a ring? Have you. Have you got time to talk on the phone for a couple minutes? Most certainly. Call you in a little kn6gtn that'd be just great. Okay, thanks and wa1ner I'll be standing by.

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Qst, qst, qst. This is K6 Kuo, open Sacramento traffic net. The purpose of this net is to relay formal system. Is to relay formal traffic inside either to it out in Sacramento Valley. And to provide a stand emergency. This is a direct event to clean medical transmissions without permission code. All stations are requested stand on frequency to excuse code skate 16 year old less located rescue station with mercier prior traffic fix w fix rhc repeater check 1. 3 station with traffic to be. Listen. Kf6 obi, kf6 opi. Mike and willows. No traffic. Good evening, mike. Thank you, kg6ku. Call it an order on traffic. Kg6tso. Good evening, lester and the group. This is kg6tso, bessie with no traffic. Thank you, bessie. Kf6djy, K6rcs, 6pmt, kilo, echo 6 papa, mike, mike, tango, russ and gerber. Good evening, lester and the group. And I have no traffic. Good evening, russ. Thank you, kc6 ufc, kc6ufe, bill in comparison no traffic. Good evening, lester. Good evening, bill. Thank you, kn6bww. All right, that's the rule as I have it. Do we have any late members or visitors wish to check in? No further traffic or check in this KG6 schedule closing second valley traffic daily 21 at 2100 hours local time through the W6RC repeater on 146.85 volt megahertz. All spaces are each field. And I'd like to thank everybody who checked in tonight. And go to the Empire Amateur radiation setting for the use of the repeater. This 2104 local time. $73. 86K frequency.

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Speaker A: K and 6u g x connected.
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This is whiskey victor. I heard a station. Whiskey Victoria. Yeah, it's rough copy. Rough copy. I hear you in there, but pretty rough, So that could be the reason why. So this is Woody. Like a three liquor North Las Vegas. Yeah, I know you're in there. Have a good day. Well, have a good evening.

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Speaker A: Good morning. K&6mgk.
Speaker B: Most likely just work around the house.
Speaker A: I guess Maybe the wife will want to go somewhere this afternoon.

Well, sometimes the decisions are made for you, right? You don't get to make them.

Yeah, but, like, I'm guessing what kept you occupied yesterday morning was probably something that you, you know, you didn't really get to make a decision on. You had to be there.

It's pretty hard to beat the weather. So if you're into radio, this is, like, some of the best times to get out and do stuff. I think 65 degrees. Oh, yeah.

Speaker A: Yeah, we have a dense fog advisory. I guess I haven't looked outside yet, but it has been a little patchy as you go south, anyway. Yeah, 65 for the high, 38 for the low. That's probably about what it is now. Probably somewhere around 40 anyway. But yeah, that's pretty good. Same way for the next couple days, and then maybe a little tiny bit of a cool down by 2 degrees. I don't think we can beat this weather right here. I mean, 40s in the morning and 60s in the afternoon there.
Speaker B: And I'm guessing. Let me look at Paradise. Yeah, it says it's 51
Speaker A: already. I don't know, Sometimes it's kind of hard to believe, but same high, 65. I know there's an inversion layer, so that must be what's going on.

Yeah. Yep, yep. So time to get out and do Sapoda or something. Go to the Table Mountain. I don't know. Of course there's a couple places down here in Chico, but we're Yano Seco. Yano Seco is a good spot, really. Just want to enjoy the day. It's nice, sunshine and everything. Only when it went too windy the last time I was there, it was beautiful.

I can have my little cheap vertical up in about five minutes. So yep. So it's in the back of my truck right now already stabbed together, radials just wound around it. So yeah, like I doubt you can get. Your brother can get his JPC 12 up in five minutes. So that little guy can be on the air in about eight minutes. I won't see Yano Seiko. That's how you do it. There's no and for you. Like sometimes the wind picks up across that little valley to that rice padding. So yours fell over a lot of times. My verticals never fell over. So you have to tie it off or something. I don't know. That can be kind of interesting. I don't know about propagation. Is it any better or worse? I don't know, it's hard to think. Who'd have to compare? I guess that's the tough part. It doesn't matter as long as you get out and put it up and get it done. I can tell you that. Yanozenko, if you just backed up to those like little rocks that are like, you know, that little, I guess they're maybe 2 foot in diameter or something that kind of gets, you know, kind of gets the parking. You can back up to it, you know, a couple three feet away or four feet away or whatever and put your antenna right back there. I mean it worked great. So that's a no brainer to that. But there's a lot of people that come in and out, you know, so I mean there was a couple people asking me questions and stuff but they were just out checking out the birds, you know, and then they'd be there for, you know, 15 minutes or so and they'd leave.

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Yeah. Okay, so let me. Let me ask you this, okay? I'm on 20 meters on my cheap. My cheap little $45 antenna. So in 20 meters, I just raise it all the way up. Okay? That's it. That's quarter wave on 20. It's got, you know, roughly 1.1 to 1, you know, SWR there across the band. Okay. I want to go to 15 meters. I just got to reduce it down to, like, you know, five sections sticking out. Okay, I can just walk over to it. Do that. That's like a couple of minutes. Okay? And I'm on 15 meters. What does it take for you to go from 20 meters to 15 meters?

Speaker A: Right. I just remember you getting out your tape measure and measuring this and that. Now I think, let's see. I think you can do 40 on it or something, right? But you have to put a coil
Speaker B: in it or something. Is that right? Right. So,
Speaker A: yeah, that just took you some time and skill and that's quicker and I would do the same thing and that counts. So. But if you were just setting it up the first time, then you have to throw in your rig expert and all that kind of stuff. You know, that takes a little bit more time. So you see what I'm saying about you asked question. Why? Well, that particular one, MFG is out of business, so they don't sell it anymore. I haven't seen anything like that one around. I remember you having some problems with it too, but they fixed it or something. Nevertheless, it's more finicky. Right. So vertical antenna can be real simple. I just know that like the JPC12 has multiple parts to it. So putting one inside the other, and hey, if you're not careful, you'll strip one of those sections out, then you're dead in the water. KN6MGK.

Yeah, all the time is worth it if it, if it makes a difference, if it makes a difference on the kind of contacts you're making. So like if the takeoff angle is slightly different, which I'm sure it is, you know, maybe I'm getting further out on the vertical and I want closer in contacts and it'd be better to have yours. I could tell you when I put up an NSAID half wave I'm usually only getting them up around 20ft anyway as a sloper or 20, yeah, probably 20ft, you know, maybe 25ft at the most. But you know, as a sloper, I mean I get a lot of west coast stuff and a lot closer and I can't get DX with that. So with a little vertical I've spoken to, not spoken but I've CW with, you know, Italy and Sweden and so forth and can't seem to do that with an N fed halfway.

Speaker A: Yeah, I just, I have a piece of rebar, of course, work for a concrete guy, but you know, get yourself a three foot piece of rebar and I just, you know, knock that in the ground, you know, six inches and I don't have to get on my hands and knees, pull it right back up and
Speaker B: toss my turner right in that. Yeah, no, you got to have a good set
Speaker A: of ground radials. Tell that to everybody on those. I mean, I don't know about the JPC 12, but I think it's the same company as shaling 7. So they only provide you with four radials. Four. So I've had way better success by taking one out and putting one in with like I have like three wires or four wires attached to, I think four wires attached to one of the banana plugs that slides into. So then that gives me like seven and plus I kind of count the feed line as 8 and I do way better with that.

Yep. I know lots of people like that. So I don't know. I have another friend that he doesn't even have. Well, he has a ham radio. He don't have a wife, he's an advanced, but he, he has some equipment but he doesn't turn that stuff on. He thinks we're all crazy. He's been a ham radio guy for, you know, probably 40 years or something. But you see news, his ticket. But you know, ever since cell phones he doesn't understand why you want to go backwards. So he doesn't understand that I've already done all that, talked all around the world, there's no point in it anymore and you know, I've had the best. They'll say I've had the best ham radio. He used to live in paradise in the paradise area for a lot of years. I used to hang my verticals from 150 foot trees up there off of Kibler Road and Nunley and stuff like that. Anyway, he used to have people come to him to fix his equipment and all that stuff. He just doesn't see why he would continue doing that. When cell phones, you can talk to anyone around the world, send pictures, techs, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, but you never, I mean, you know, you never really talk to many people a lot, right? You do a lot of FT8. So I don't know. And like I did that this morning for I don't know, 45 minutes and got tired of it. I had like 19 contacts and I was, I didn't care who was contacting me back at that point, even though I was saying cqdx. I just wanted to see what I could get done in a matter of time. And I was mostly looking for dx, but I did get a few, couple of American ones that come back to me because they couldn't read, I guess. So I went ahead and gave them the report. But anyway, yeah, it's like watching paint dry almost sometimes watching things flick back to the screen and that's about it. I like it for a certain amount of time, but I couldn't do it for hours and hours and hours. Last night I went on JS8 because JS8 is a winter field day mode, you know. And I was putting out CQ for a half an hour. Nobody came back to me at all on 40 meters last night around 9 o' clock or something. So yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work. I mean people are. I got like 6 or 7 JS8 contacts on Winterfield Bay a few years ago but you just don't see hardly anyone on it right now. At least not on 40. Yeah, so it's kind of interesting. More people should use it. The tech driver uses it all the time. Those are the guys that came back to me. I went ahead and did an SNR to the tech prepper group and yeah like four of them came back to me. So they came back right away but nobody else really is doing much. Yeah, it's just like texting across the air, right? I mean back and forth on your keyboard kinda, you know, not a big deal. It's just as fast as FT8 but you can say a whole lot more stuff. But it has a practical purpose like storing forward. But people have got to use it. FT8 doesn't work that way so FT8 just, you know, here I am, here you are. Here's a signal report by right.

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Speaker A: Okay. Well, yeah, I was going to ask. I was contemplating whether I should ask you about that or not, but I know that the garage group has bandpass filters anyway. Which ones are you looking at right now? I don't think you're going to get it by winter field day anyway, by the way. I mean, that's. You're only allowing yourself, you know, a few shipping
Speaker B: days. Unless you're getting it from Amazon. Yeah. Okay, so some
Speaker A: Chinese thing. What? Let me. Yeah, let me see here. I was gonna say I'm gonna turn on this other computer, but now I can do this one. Let me take a look
Speaker B: at it and see what it is. Yeah, but I just can't believe, like, you
Speaker A: know, you were watching the video, I think, on KV9DBR and talking about, like, this Morgan ones and all that. That seems like, you know, a couple weeks ago, and you still didn't order one of those, which is
Speaker B: quality,
Speaker A: you know,
Speaker B: buy once, cry once. Usually you do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Let
Speaker A: me know what you see there. I'd be willing to go with you on a trip for sure. I've actually got something to return or swap out if they'll allow me to at this point.

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Speaker A: You know what came up? I typed in. I typed in Band pass filter. First thing that comes up are stuff for meshtastics. 14 bucks the JMT band pass filters and it gives you SMA connectors.
Speaker B: Perfect. No Amazon.
Speaker A: I was wanting to try to find one that used to have was 40 bucks. I still haven't found it yet. All the ones that come up right away are seemingly. What do you call it for meshtastic? You know, I find that interesting. Yep, there's one here now that
Speaker B: Uzilic,
Speaker A: 200 watts. But it says $60, not 40. I
Speaker B: don't know if that's the. You have to be careful on the ones
Speaker A: I've seen so far that say for short wave. They don't say for transmit too. I do see TX
Speaker B: on it, so yeah, must be. What was the name of that
Speaker A: one on Amazon? H o o z I l I c showing
Speaker B: 60 bucks. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker A: it just sounds like a noise filter. I don't know. It might just have to do with cleaning up is the receive. You know, that's why you have to be kind of careful. Anyway Palomar, that's quality stuff. Whatever it is, make sure it's for transit. Also guessing it'd be about three times the money.

Speaker A: So what was the one on Amazon? Is it the same one I'm looking at here, but they only show two. Two ones for 15 meters
Speaker B: and ones for 40 meters. 21 MHz is 15 met. Okay, so I am looking at the right one, but, yeah, you said something like 40 bucks, and I'm seeing 60, so. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so 60
Speaker A: bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Not sure, but I think I'd rather want the. Those Morgan ones. I think they were 20 bucks more or something at the time. Things might have changed now.

Speaker A: Yeah,
Speaker B: I agree with you. Actually I don't know about dx, I'm still going to buy from them. I haven't anyway, but I know they have good stuff over at DX Engineering so But yeah, I've always bought from main trading and R L didn't have any troubles with equipment but when it comes to little things like you're talking about hro giga parts, that kind of thing you can get from the other ones too
Speaker A: but know same price generally, why wait? It's going to be a couple minutes. But yeah, I'm
Speaker B: going to be back here in just a couple minutes getting another cup fresh cup of coffee and use the restroom there. So but I'd like to continue this on the bandpass filter because I think I'd like to get one too and I'd want to work it out with you where I have a different one than you do. KN6MGK.

Well, I did a myriad of things. Even boosted the thermostat up since it was 63 degrees. I decided to put to 65. Got me another fresh cup of coffee and got the hot water going for my wife's tea. So, yeah, should be okay for a few minutes. How you doing out there? Jay K and 6 MGK.

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Yeah, I know you're not gonna like what I had to say, but I did text you the the ones with the Morgans. Price looks the same. 80 bucks for the legacy models. I know the garnish group bought the high performance ones. I'm thinking even the legacy ones might be okay. I don't know. But they're more known that KB9VBR put his stamp of approval on them. So. So I think like, you know, I think I'd at least go that way, but maybe it can be found elsewhere, I don't know.

Speaker A: Oh, yeah. The other guy I like a lot is chat radio. Chat radio. He's a great guy. I purchased from him before too. I don't know if he had any band pass filters, it would be up his alley, but I doubt it.
Speaker B: Comment?
Speaker A: Hey, Jeremy, thank you very much. Yeah, I think you probably like these Morgans, right? Absolutely.
Speaker B: And they're a lot less money. The website is kilofoxtrot7papa.com, kilo foxtrot7papa calm.
Speaker A: Yeah, I've got that website up right now. Yeah, but I've also seen him on that search stop or whatever. But is that where Gars ended up buying them from him?
Speaker B: Yeah, but you want to go up to the $150 ones. You don't want to buy the 91?
Speaker A: Yeah. Why do you think that's the case?
Speaker B: Well, I think they say that the higher dollar ones are better with electronic receivers.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's. I seen that in the description about. For their computer. What do you call it? Optimized? Yeah. I don't know. But I know Jay likes a lot of FT8, so digital is going to be real important.
Speaker B: I would go with the Morgan. I think they're good, I think for the money because he was talking 2 or $300 and I think what DX Engineering sells might be the Morgans or they might sell another brand. But I think the Morgans are just fine.
Speaker A: Yeah, it's an investment, you know, I mean, it's rough to get clubs to do stuff like that. That's why I know with Gars, they did it a certain way, but it's like nobody has real ownership of them. So now they just sit around and not be used when there's people going out. So that's kind of the way it goes. And then they get used like at this point sounds like twice a year, right. Winter field day, summer field day.
Speaker B: I can always go get them and take them out to an event or use them if I want. I have that access, but I just haven't. I haven't been doing anything with groups.
Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Now Chris over here. Jht last part of his call, officers start getting off. Look at the last name. But anyway, I just wanted to make sure it's not. Chris said that I'm talking about. Anyway, he bought a set of the ham. Ham. What do you call that? The like the Loomis ham fest. Anyway, and I think they're Chinese ones, but it was a whole set. He paid like 80 bucks for the whole set and he took them out. One time I was with them, and they worked just fine. He and I were using them fine. But anyway, they thought they weren't the quality of the ones, you know. And that's not the only investment, right, Jeremy? After you do that, you guys made up a bunch of jumpers, too, for each one, right?
Speaker B: You gotta have jumpers. Obi bought all those out of his pocket. It was kind of a group effort.
Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Yep. Anyway, they worked well, but, yeah, it's a heck of an investment, for sure. I mean, you can buy some cheap Chinese radios for around 200 bucks nowadays.
Speaker B: Yeah, well, these here, for the money, I think, are the best. And I just. I heard you guys talking about. I'm sending Jay a link right now. Good morning.
Speaker A: Yeah, there was one on Amazon for 60 bucks for 15 meters. And for 40 meters, it's made. It's a company called Huizi. I can't pronounce it. I don't know. Anyway, that must be a pile of junk, I bet. You know, it's just a thought. Like one of those that'll blow up. You can't fix it. So one of these things about the Morgans, you know, if you did blow out a capacitor, I bet you could change it relatively easily.
Speaker B: You also send them in for repair, right?
Speaker A: Yeah, that's what's positive about them, potentially. But, you know, can you send anything from MFJ in for repair at this point?
Speaker B: Probably not, right? You're gonna find somebody that can work on it?
Speaker A: Basically, yeah. That's what I'm trying to say about these. I mean, I don't know the history of the company and all that. You know, what if the guy sells out or SK or whatever, you know, it might be done just like what happened. I mean, it happened. There's this one German guy who makes CW keys. Kind of like those little modern Morse ones, but a little tinier. And Chris said, has one or two of them anyway. And I was like, yeah, I'm hot to get one of those. And they were like 200 bucks. I mean, they weren't cheap. And the guy, he wasn't even all that old, had a massive heart attack or stroke and died. That was the end of it. So people just. If they go up on qrz, you know, even for more money, people just jump all over the top of those keys just to find them. They're so good for portable.
Speaker B: Just remember, you get what you pay for. You buy Chinese junk and you have just that, right?
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I know Jay likes quality, but it is tough. It Is tough. He's frugal too, just like me or whatever. It's hard to want us to open up the old pocketbook sometimes.
Speaker B: If you could get the members of the club to donate the amount for one or something works pretty good. And it's really easy to. Real easy to want to jump off on those $80 ones. But you know, Tyler and I did quite a bit of research.
Speaker A: What Winterfield Day software are you thinking the club's going to use down there? Is it that, what is it something adept JP or whatever? That guy where you pay like nine bucks?
Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know, you know, but I think our club's probably going to wind up being dissolved.
Speaker A: Yeah, but I was asking about the software. So you don't know if they're going to use that software again?
Speaker B: Oh, we're using it this year. Right. In three fjp.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's the guy. So it's probably best if I just buy it. Right? Because you know, I'm thinking that in fact some of the guys, like the guy in Mineral there, John, he won that software like a package where he gets it all. I think it's probably like $50 value or something like that. Or if you. They just gave it to him because he wanted the raffle. So he has all the softwares and he paid like $50 or gave it to them. So it might be the way to go. Because I've done other contests where you know, they've got the nice template that works really good for that.
Speaker B: Yeah, well, that software is not all that expensive. I think you can buy a subscription for $50. So that's a lifetime one time subscription.
Speaker A: Right. That's what I mean. I think that's what they gave John and Mineral. And of course he doesn't really do any contesting and stuff, but the only ones I'm interested in are winter field day, Summer field day and the CQ worldwide ones are fun and maybe there's a couple more out there for CW, but that's it. I end up spending the same $50 by buying like three or four of the softwares. So you may as well just get the whole thing. Right.
Speaker B: Exactly right. Upgrade to package is $59.99 and then it's done. Right. If you buy one, it's probably 20 or $25.
Speaker A: Yeah. Now the other option I've heard is coming up strong is that, is it like World Relay League or something like that? And they have software. I don't know if they're doing it like that. N3FJP is doing it like where it separates it out and all that. Real important too because like for cw, you sometimes need a spot, a little slot for the station license year. And you know how it is on field days where you have the class and section, you know, and then it has that separation out where it tracks for you which ones you've gotten and all that. It's pretty cool. I like that. Anyway.
Speaker B: Exactly. Well, I'm gonna back out of here. I just wanted to throw in my two cents. I heard Jay talking about spend over $200 a filter.
Speaker A: Yeah, no problem. Yep. I'll probably. I'm thinking the wife might. She's either wanting to head out that way or towards Oroville. I don't know, later today. So in case you're around, but probably pretty slam and busy for you. KN6MGK.
Speaker B: Yeah. Girlfriend's up this weekend, so no radio.
Speaker A: Copy that. All right, KN6MGK.
Speaker B: All right, Steve. 7373J W6LND.

Speaker A: You better go on
Speaker B: Morgan's website, read all they have to say about them. Tyler and I did. We spent a lot of time on
Speaker A: it. All
Speaker B: right, you guys have a
Speaker A: good day. Yeah. I've got Chris texting me now, so hopefully he'll get back to me with the band filters name that he has. He has the 80, 40, 20, 15 and 10 what he's got, so. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he bought it like his kit or something like that. But they are Chinese. I don't know. But they did work together. We used them.

Speaker A: Yeah but every time
Speaker B: I come across
Speaker A: something like this, I mean like, you know, the thought of doing it. Yeah. I mean talk about, you know, 100 and say yeah get the 20 meter 140 bucks. I'm sure there's probably shipping on it so I just, I'm not willing to spend that kind of money at the moment but other people probably would. I'm sure. I'm sure
Speaker B: there's shipping and I'm guessing they'll be. Yeah Jeremy was telling you. Yeah that's what we had. Yeah
Speaker A: the Morgans the high the ones that cost 140 bucks a piece but I don't know right now on the website it's not showing that it's I put one in my cart and it's. It's saying total 140 bucks check when you go to check out maybe it'll be something to do that but hopefully what your PayPal account. Okay so anyway but yeah that's, that's
Speaker B: the ones
Speaker A: the high performance band pass filters for Morgan.

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Well, later this afternoon. I got work around the house to do. Warms up just a bit, but. Yeah. So Chris just texted me back. Industrial communication engineers limited. So I'll have to look that up.

Yeah. Reason that the gentleman died. She's SK W9S U owner of industrial communication engineers. Well, I'm curious.

Amateur Radio News line report number 2516 with the release date of Friday, January 16, 2026 to follow in 54321. The following is a QST US Financial Traders review their call to use the HF Fan RF noise grounds flights in Greece and California. Hands have extra large plans for Winter Field Day. All this and more as Amateur Radio Newsline Report number 2516 comes your way right now from around the world. This is Newsline, Amateur Radio's first independent faulty air News and Bulletin Service. Now Reporting from Charleston, West Virginia, here's Jim Dameron, NATNW in our top story, a group representing seven financial trading firms is pressing the U.S. federal Communications Commission to respond to their petition submitted almost three years ago asking for permanent allocation of HF frequencies for data transmission. Kent Peterson, KC0DTY has those details. The Shortwave Modernization Coalition is pressing the FCC for an answer to its petition, which was filed in the spring of 2023. The group is seeking the authorization to transmit on the bands between 2 MHz and 25 MHz under Part 90 of the FCC rules. A number of the bands being sought either include or are adjacent to amateur radio bands. The coalition's original filing drew substantial opposition from amateur radio operators and the ARRL, citing the potential for interference. The ARRL said in 2024, the IARU's monitoring system detected what was believed to be HF trading interference on the amateur portion of 20 meters. The US Coast Guard also objected to the petition, saying additional traffic would raise noise floors for everyone. Last year, three of the firms were given FCC approval as experimental licensees. They were prohibited from charging fees or receiving payments for anything related to their on the air operations. The coalition believes that granting permanency will solidify their status in business and will not create interference as feared because the technology exists to locate open channels. This is Ken Peterson, KC0DGY noise on the frequency is bothersome enough when you're attempting to contact a much wanted dx, but noise on frequencies used by commercial aircraft can shut commercial airspace down, as it did earlier this month in Greece. William Kemp, BK4BP has that report Flash and decrease with temporarily grounded, delayed or diverted this month after.

Speaker A: Good morning. Good morning to our Sunday morning meditation.
Speaker B: K6lmk system 36 snow mountain range.
Speaker A: Yeah. And six iwh on frequency. Will be. Huh?

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Speaker A: System 14 link up.
Speaker B: K6lnk. System 36, snow mountain range.
Speaker C: Where you at?
Speaker A: A little scratchy into what? I was trying to figure out if you were on 6 or 16 or where. So not a strong cast.
Speaker D: All right, bumped up the power a little
Speaker C: bit on the summit. Coming in through 14. Oh,
Speaker D: you're on,
Speaker C: you're
Speaker A: on 14. System 19 link up. Okay, I was trying to get over to one direct, but yeah, I can't hit that one. But yeah, you're doing better in it now. Locally. Okay, I think I caught most of that, but you're not a hundred percent. But yeah, high power is a little bit better there.
Speaker D: All right, I'm going to try moving. Maybe I'll find a
Speaker A: hot spot here. Oh yeah, right there. That was good. All right, 14 has a wine on it. I don't know, power supply or something. Don't think it's coming across the link or you would have said something. I actually do hear a little something. Little kind of a somewhat high pitched whine. It's low coming through the link that's coming from 14. But yes, I do hear a little something. It's very pronounced here locally. I hear it. It's pretty loud here, so. All right, just wanted to test off the transistors in there a little bit. We're out snowshoeing and making our way back towards the vehicle here. I wanted to give you a shout. Okay, well, cool. Yeah, nice day for us. The weather looks really nice. We just recently had lots of snow. Watch those avalanches. Whereabouts are you snowshoeing?
Speaker C: Donner summit.
Speaker A: Ah, okay. All right. Just used to that. All right, very cool. Thought you might have been up at Opie's by now, so I give you a shout. Okay, I need to hop out. I'll catch up with you later on W6KP. Okay, he'll be down in Los Angeles Tuesday, Wednesday ish this week. So maybe I'll hear catch you on radio then or something. All right, talk to you later in 6qob.

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Speaker A: Roger. No big deal. Yeah, anytime. Anytime you get an inkling, get a hold of me. We're here all day. You don't need it. You can come anytime you want. You don't even need to tell me. And 6 NTM. I'm back
Speaker B: to the big screen. That's the plan.

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Good afternoon to you. How are things? Okay. Pleasant day. Let's go grab another battery because one of the ones they're taking seems to be no good. I'll just leave it alive tonight. Other than that, heading back and gonna finish pulling what I need and load it up, get things ready for tomorrow's departure. And how are you doing? I'm doing good. I just sat down here with an adult beverage. Nice ice cold adult beverages, that is. And the wife, I think she's gonna make dinner all by herself. A little bit late for us, but that's okay. I had a big kind of a late lunch. So. On Sunday you're running around getting batteries. So you. You were broken up a little bit. Is that a battery for one of the. Yeah, this is for 31 for Tuesday. Looks like it's been probably about 10 years or so since those batteries went in. So I think it's time to replace him, especially being so far away, you know? Yeah. Now, fred. What does fred do? Is he a tech? A mountaintop tech? What does he do? He owns an alarm company and has got a lot of mountaintop sites, so he's gonna be going with us. He's also got access to the back room where we need to plug in for Internet connection. And actually, God has, you know, kind of brokered the site deal for us originally, you know, to notice the site owner. So he put the two of us together and, you know, the rest is history. He's good for that. That's awesome. Yeah, the more. The more threads you have in the loop, the better, right? All right, well, good deal, by the way. If you get, you get. Or if Fred can get the SSID and password, because that's going to be WI fi, I think, isn't it? If you can get the SSID and password, we can pre install that into the. Into the SD card before it goes. Now, ignor. This is a LAN connection. That's how we should be set up for. We should have WI FI available to us, you know, to connect remotely, you know, to a laptop type thing or whatever. But this is all hardwired. Okay. All right. Yeah, I think I remember that now. My bad. I'm helping somebody else with some other stuff. In fact, I need to. I need to talk to you about that also in regards to Eureka. Those guys are just about ready to go also. Okay, so I'm sorry, refresh my memory. You're going to be up there Wednesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Or Wednesday. Have you started sending all that adult drivers yet? Your ladder answer was correct. Tuesday, I allotted Tuesday, Wednesday, but we better get it done Tuesday because I got, I got a paid for class I'm going to on Wednesday. It's part of this conference that I'm also going to the latter part of the week that's down there. So Tuesday, Tuesday is the main day tomorrow. Monday I'm traveling down, I'm driving, Jeff is flying. But Tuesday is the main day here. I figured, you know, we probably won't be ready to do anything until, oh, I don't know, you know, probably, let's just say 11ish AM might be a little bit earlier, might be a little bit later, but hopefully not. But you know, somewhere between 10 and 10 and 12 I would say, but hopefully between 10 and 11. So again, Tuesday, just remember, you know, I'll happily pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today or however that goes. Yeah, whatever. Making fun of my adult beverage. Yeah, okay. So yeah, I got something to do tomorrow but you know, absolute will be available, you know, from 10:00am my time, all day, all day Tuesday. So. And it won't take very long to. It won't take very long at all for me to do what I need to do. You're very optimistic there. That's assuming everything goes well. Right? You know me, I mean, after all, my legal name is Thomas and I do doubt. Well, that's, that's, that's previous employer employees. This new employee right here. No concern. Oh, wait a minute. I haven't received my first check, by the way. I'm kidding, of course. Okay, all right, I'll let you go. And yeah, don't, don't, don't worry about me. I'll be, I'll be available. And. We've been having some problems with our Internet. I think they've got a 100% result. But I did have a better backup. My, my cell phone also has a, a hot spot. So I'm good, I'm good either way. Okay, Tom, talk to you later n6kn. Okay, well let's cross the fingers and stop the eyes and cross the T's too while we're at it and hope everything goes smoothly. So. All right, sounds good, Ken. I'll be around and maybe catch you on the road tomorrow or something. Talk to you later at 6 mct. Oh, and maybe we'll hear Fred more often after this is all said and done. Okay, talk to you later. You should say after it's all said and done. Yes, I think we will because you know, we used to in the beginning. So we shall see. All right. See you later.